What the hell does sensor strength have to do with anom running? It's completely irrelevant unless you're shooting rats that jam and bastion gives you EW immunity anyways so you don't have to care about jams. Locking speed is determined by scan resolution and 120 scan res is not a bad number for a battleship. The Vindicator has 100, for comparison.

Time for another update.

We discussed the Marauder situation further and came with the following changes:

• Shield, armor and hull 30% resistance boosts have been removed on the Bastion Module - instead, all Marauders will now get proper tech2 resists. This will allow Marauders to have better RR use outside Bastion and reduce overall tanking effectiveness inside the mode.


• We have removed all tanking bonuses on the Marauders hulls (Armor Repairer amount on the Paladin and Kronos, Shield Boost amount on the Golem and Vargur). Instead, we are giving them 7.5% bonus to the velocity factor of stasis webifiers per level. This will not only help reducing their tanking effectiveness, be more in theme with the ship role itself and help anyone using them with short range weapons. We are not giving them a full 10% per level back as this would be extremely powerful in conjunction with the other bonuses / Bastion. We are going to leave the full 10% web strength amount on the Serpentis ships for now and see how things evolve with time.


• Also, we are removing the mass penalty on the Bastion mode. Tests have shown you can't really turn when it's active anyway, and we don't want to have players abuse that to collapse wormholes.

I will change the OP to match the changes.

Marauders already tank sufficiently - particularly since the local repair buffs. They don't need any more OPness in PVP - 1500dps from a blaster kronos is fine. What they could use is a way to operate in hostile space while having a good probability of returning in one piece

WoW Sensor strength 12


***edit 11-14

***looks at Vengeance's sensor str (14)

Almost 200 pages, whats the record for a threadnought?

Hey people,

We've been away from this thread for a while to let things cool down a bit.

With Rubicon coming to Singularity soon, we've decided to revert Marauders to the original design for now, as we want to see how they actually fare in practice within player hands before committing to the version 2 change. We will let you know if and when we move to version 2 again. WeGÇÖll most likely open a new thread when they appear on Singularity as this one has become quite convoluted.

That means:

• Shield, armor and hull resists in Bastion Mode only
• Keep the 37.5% tank bonus on the Marauders, no web bonus

We are also aware this won't please everyone here - regarding their comparison with Pirate Battleships, especially the Machariel, please remember we have stated many times Pirate hulls were due for a rebalance, with Angel Cartel being on the front line for tuning changes.

Thanks for your time.

No, there is no mass increase in Bastion mode anymore, even if you can't align or move when it is active.

I expect them to see HEAVY use in high sec POS bashing.

Again, even the best webs will only cover antimatter range on blasters and the vindi will do that job a lot better. A ship that cannot move is a very bad ship to give a web bonus to.
CCP are not going to give us a poor copy of the vindi.

I have been reading ALL of this thread. A few of things have become apparent:

* CCP should never again ask people for feedback on a hull :)
* CCP should never take a hull and make MASSIVE changes to it :)

I sincerely hope that any changes follow the idea that the Marauder hull can still be flown more or less the way it is now - maybe with some tweaks - and that it kinda-sorta can become a different beast when fitted with a MJD and a Bastion module.

There still seems to be a lot of people that did go out of their way to train a rather large number of SP's to fly them and and are now wide eyed annoyed at their ship suddenly needing to be flown totally different. I get that, I feel the pain.

On the other hand there's a strong chance we might get a hull that's far more commonly seen around the place and not an oddity when seen leaving a station. I pray this becomes a reality.

I guess I'll just wait for the changes, then go fly a Marauder or two. Or go outside and howl at the moon and repeatably beat my face into the sharp parts of my fence. Time shall tell.

I suppose you skipped over the part where CCP Ytterbium said these ships will be made viable for pvp and not focused on pve.

Would like to see blue tag commenting what nerfs are gone and which one stay so i can stop giving a damn about this thread.